Uncle Junior 3:53 Thu Dec 11
Farage V Brand
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Question Time tonight , should be lively ( for a change ! )
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7:26 Fri Dec 26
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Apologies, I see that I got my answer at 7.08.
Thanks mim for pointing that out.
The only mitigation I've git is that I'm watching Arsenal/QPR at this time too.
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mashed in maryland
7:23 Fri Dec 26
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"'I ask you serf "do you seriously believe everyone born to whatever means deserves it"?'
No, mate. Obviously I don't"
He's answered your question.
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7:19 Fri Dec 26
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Serf, you are still dropping a barrage of chaff, deliberately drawing wrong conclusions and more importantly dodging the question.
Then you go mithering on about moral superiority, wonderful person status and saintliness. I think that you protest too much and are using made up diversionary tactics to avoid answering a question.
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7:11 Fri Dec 26
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Infidel, you and I will not always agree but are not a man to wriggle, finesse your way out of or simply not give an answer. Also I cannot remember you making an unfounded accusation to someone either snidely or by means of weasel words.
In answer to the question does it matter to me it does insofar as it helps me form an opinion about someone. I have a lot of time for the likes of Dyson and people of his ilk for example in comparison with say a silver spoon merchant. All power to Stelios too because he has not buried his talents but has instead used his better chance in life than say Dyson to change things and make even more money.
If you tax wealth/inheritance it cannot be applied by means of subjective "who deserves it" criteria it needs hard and fast rules. What a total elimination of inheritance would do though is motivate offspring to make themselves economically effective [ as you, me and all others on here have done ] from the word go. Just imagine who would be on the front benches of the political parties right now if no wealth could ever have been inherited.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
7:08 Fri Dec 26
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, 6:37 Fri Dec 26
'I ask you serf "do you seriously believe everyone born to whatever means deserves it"?'
No, mate. Obviously I don't. However, since I have never said anything even remotely resembling that, why should I really have to answer the question.
You and others posters though have decided that all wealthy people are undeserving especially those who inherited it.
I fully understand that it makes it more difficult to present yourself as morally superior and a generally wonderful person when others stubbornly refuse to respond to your invitations to declare themselves as uncaring beats, but whoever said this saintliness business should be easy, eh?
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
7:04 Fri Dec 26
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I think he is an expecting a straight 'I am still beating my wife type answer'. What a nit-wit.
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Infidel
6:47 Fri Dec 26
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Comma
Without wanting to intervene, it's a bit of a daft question you keep asking. It doesn't leave any room for an answer.
It's a statement of fact that some people earned their wealth and others didn't.
Surely the right question is: does it matter? Should we treat them differently from a tax point of view? Should we applaud the deserving rich and castigate the undeserving?
And what about those in the grey area who straddle both - like the founder of easyJet, that Stelios bloke , who was born into great wealth and made even more in his business career?
Not easy but I would say eliminating inheritance would go a long way to solving the problem.
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6:37 Fri Dec 26
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I ask you serf "do you seriously believe everyone born to whatever means deserves it"?
You have not got anywhere near providing an answer yet.
And we both know you won't come up with one.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
6:33 Fri Dec 26
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, 5:17 Fri Dec 26
Read my reply again.
I quite clearly answer your question there.
You really don't like to put any effort in, do you?
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6:30 Fri Dec 26
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It's better if it works for the majority than an elite minority nicht war?
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Infidel
6:28 Fri Dec 26
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Capitol
Why is it a bad thing to be 'ideology-driven'?
Surely the opposite is to have no ideas, no principles,no philosophy?
I applaud anyone who has taken the time to think about how they would like the world to work - even if, like socialists, they are wrong.
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5:17 Fri Dec 26
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Serf, what you have made clear, by omission, is your swerving of my question.
Still, carry on wriggling and making baseless accusations because it's what we're used to from you.
I won't ask again because you clearly cannot formulate an answer which enables you to hold simultaneously conflicting interpretations..
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Capitol Man
5:15 Fri Dec 26
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Infidel 4:20 Fri Dec 26
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No, that not the point. Though many on the right would like to pretend you "help" the poor by doing fuck all.
The point is what do you do to stop poverty being perpetuated through generations and whether you leave the children of the to have negligible life opportunities because you let them live in abject poverty because their parents didn't respond to the ideology-driven drivel of people like infidel whose ideas fall flat on their face as the world doesn't work like they pretend it does.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
5:13 Fri Dec 26
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Why are you twisting my disagreement that everyone who is wealthy is undeserving into a claim that everyone who is wealthy is eserving?
It's you that are making the crass generalisations, not me.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
5:11 Fri Dec 26
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, 5:06 Fri Dec 26
I think I made my position clear with my previous post.
You should try reading them instead of reacting to what you imagine I probably really meant.
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5:06 Fri Dec 26
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So serf, you are swerving my question?
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
4:53 Fri Dec 26
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I would also increase inheritance tax. It's just about the least unfair tax there is.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
4:52 Fri Dec 26
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, 4:35 Fri Dec 26
It's not me who brought up the undeserving wealthy who were born into it and are all thoroughly ungrateful.
You should think things through before you post.
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Infidel
4:49 Fri Dec 26
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Comma
On that point you and I might find common ground.
I am opposed to inheritance on principle.I would tax it much more heavily and abolish all the thresholds.
It's an abomination that our tax system raises the tax burden on the incomes of working people so that a lucky few can avoid tax on money they haven't earned and have done nothing to generate.
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4:35 Fri Dec 26
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Serf, are you ending he year as big a deliberately misinterpreting twerp as you started it?
The jealousy thing you have invented.......because you have no actual proof to base that misleading suggestion on.
Anyway back to the point do you seriously believe everyone born to whatever means deserves it?
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After8
4:33 Fri Dec 26
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Particularly sad to be arguing over politics at Christmas. Some of you need a day off.
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